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Monday, November 05, 2007

WHY THEY FIGHT

"I wonder how the soldiers feel about this... their hard work isn't "political" enough to be reported... sad."

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Sunni and Shiite reaching out to reconcile their differences and end the violence. Al`Qaeda all but gone from Iraq. Deaths of troops and civilians at low levels equal to other nations per capita, a drop so low mortuaries are laying off workers. Displaced people moving back into their homes in Baghdad. Areas previously thought impossible to settle now models of peace and calm. Iraq has been a series of better and better stories since January when the change of tactics was implemented. By August, the change was getting so profound that even the media began to take notice.

Quietly, Iraq has turned from a front page series of ghastly stories of failure, death, and mayhem into... well no story at all. While it's unlikely Iraq will ever have no violent deaths (why should they be unique?) on a given day, the deaths have dropped to normal levels for a country their size and population. The trend has been going on more than two months now, and the difference is stark and welcome.

Still, the London Times has noticed something:
Is no news good news or bad news? In Iraq, it seems good news is deemed no news. There has been striking success in the past few months in the attempt to improve security, defeat al-Qaeda sympathisers and create the political conditions in which a settlement between the Shia and the Sunni communities can be reached. This has not been an accident but the consequence of a strategy overseen by General David Petraeus in the past several months.
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The current achievements, and they are achievements, are being treated as almost an embarrassment in certain quarters. The entire context of the contest for the Democratic nomination for president has been based on the conclusion that Iraq is an absolute disaster and the first task of the next president is to extricate the United States at maximum speed. Democrats who voted for the war have either repudiated their past support completely (John Edwards) or engaged in a convoluted partial retraction (Hillary Clinton). Congressional Democrats have spent most of this year trying (and failing) to impose a timetable for an outright exit. In Britain, in a somewhat more subtle fashion admittedly, Gordon Brown assumed on becoming the Prime Minister that he should send signals to the voters that Iraq had been “Blair's War”, not one to which he or Britain were totally committed.
Readers responded:
Thank you for a honest analysis of the current situation in Iraq.

Spot-on on in pointing out that it is not just the number of troops that has made the real difference, but rather what they are doing,

The old / new counterinsurgency doctrine is working - now it is a matter of how much time General Petraeus will be allotted to capitalize on this success.
-by Dave Dilegge


Well framed synopsis. It is a shame that the enemies of American interests and Middle Eastern democracy are no longer al Qaeda and sundry religious extremists like the Taliban, but political extremists in Washington, Manhattan and Berkeley. Such a pity that the rules of engagement exclude the use of laser guided weaponry on them.
-by Michael Lyster


House majority whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina was asked by the Washington Post in July/August what Democrats would think if the Petraeus report indicated that the war was going well. "That would be a real big problem for us," Clyburn replied.

Yes, the Dems have a problem. True...and utterly pathetic/disgraceful.

The MSM? Not as much of a problem for them. They're not the least bit accountable for the non-stop editorializing and Bush bashing they engage in. Now they're almost somber when reporting dramatically reduced casulties (only mentioned briefly well into the newscast), in sharp constrast to the "Top Story" slot and enthusiasm reserved for things like NBC's "We're declaring this to be a Civil War, folks" hysteria we saw earlier in the year.
-by ted


Who's unhappier about the growing success in Iraq? The Ba'athists, Al Qaeda or the Democratic Party leadership? That's too close to call.
-by David J Crook


It's sad to see so many Americans going to UK to get their news. But here I am too! I for one thank you, your Country and your brave Soldiers for sticking with us during this crisis. I am delighted to hear continued reports of success in Iraq. It feels the apex has been overcome and things will only get better for everyone. It truly takes the will and courage of the people, but those people must first see our commitment and sacrifice before they will shake hands. It took too long for us to prove to them our commitment due to delays caused by our own radical elements. These self serving "politicians", with the aid of our saddled media, wanted the war to end in tragedy solely to boost their position in the 2008 elections. They aren't much different from our enemy. They created an uncooperative political atmosphere that ultimately has led to even more death and prolonged suffering.
-by Chad
Here's the thing. This is being covered by the press, or I wouldn't have news stories to link. What's not happening is it being reported by the big media forces, you aren't seeing this on page one of the Washington Post or the LA Times. You're not seeing it on the Nightly News on network shows. You're not hearing about it around the water cooler. Chances are some of you reading this haven't seen these news stories at all. And that's the problem: the coverage of the bad news was overwhelming and constant and now its just... not covered at all. There always was good news to cover, and it always was ignored in this way.

This may turn around again - certainly the enemies of the west hope so and will do whatever they can to bring it about. Even while General Patraeus was testifying, al`Qaeda in Iraq was trying desperately to have a spectacular news story to make things look awful. Just looking at that particular story tells a lot about how this war has been covered and how people respond to the news.

The effort was to parade dead and captured soldiers, just a few would be enough, in front of the news and claim victory on camera while General Patraeus was testifying. This would be an insignificant victory, like a police agency showing off a couple drug dealers and showing that the War on Drugs is won. Yet it would have been effective to a media hungry for blood and misery in Iraq to show off and it would be sadly effective to a public that has heard so much bad news and virtually no good news (in many cases none at all) for so many years, the presumption is of failure.

All it takes is one bad image and people figure "well see, its no better." The defeat of such an effort? Not even worth reporting. Even if it was, most people would figure "that's the exception in a quagmire of failure and misery, the Iraqis don't even want liberty." That's how effective the legacy media still is. It's dying and battered and despised, but it still has venom in its fangs. And meanwhile, the clueless anti war left continues to beat the drums of failure and defeat, apparently eager to assist the enemy in their propaganda war.

Stories like that one or the one where sheiks taken by radicals to prevent the reconciliation between Sunni and Shiite are ignored... because the result was not success for the enemies of liberty and civilization. Those sheiks were set free by a tremendous operation, and the fragile efforts continue. When you see that, what's your response? Is this the exception or a sign of the peace that's growing? Do you view it with skepticism, or with hope and gladness?

This success may not continue, it might be reversed by a great effort. Yet so far it appears very real and very promising. And for that I have nothing but deep respect and gratitude for the coalition soldiers and especially the Iraqi people. Perhaps they had to go through the difficulty and pain and struggle of those dark years of '04-06 to get to the point they wanted peace. Maybe they had to reach that weariness of war and bloodshed before they could reject it. I don't know. All I know is there's something basically wrong with anyone who starts out with the attitude that it had to be a failure and worse have so invested their future and jobs on that failure that success is a disappointment to them.

Look deep inside your soul. Is this good news disappointing to you? Do you view it with a twinge of trouble or worry that it might ruin your goals? If so, maybe it's time to reevaluate your reasons for the positions you take and the stances you hold.
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13 Comments:

Blogger Huck said...

For some reason, I don't have access to the "reader responses" after the jump because I don't see the "read more" jump link.

In any case, I am very happy that the violence is waning in Iraq. I hope it continues this way.

But this creates a conundrum of sorts, doesn't it. If the reduction in violence is a consequence of the surge, do we then keep the surge in place? If the reduction in violence continues, should a troop drawdown be soon to follow?

I guess the question is, since things are going so much better now in Iraq, what is the next step for the US and its troop commitment to the country?

4:58 PM, November 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have any sort of facts to back up the notion that deaths in Iraq have droped to "normal levels for a country their size and population?" I daresay with a war still on, the rate is likely higher than a peaceful country with similar basic stats.

5:50 PM, November 05, 2007  
Blogger Christopher Taylor said...

Per capita the same number of people died of violence in Iraq as died in South Africa last week.

And they're not at war. The war ended in 2003, what they've suffered from is extended violence and terrorists from foreign countries. The violence has been awful in the past but is incredibly lower now.

6:46 PM, November 05, 2007  
Blogger Huck said...

There always was good news to cover, and it always was ignored in this way.

This is how I feel about coverage of post-Katrina New Orleans by the conservative blogosphere and the non-legacy media. The fact is that there have been countless stories of individual heroism and of people rebuilding their homes and lives back up literally from nothing with no help from the government. The fact is that there are countless stories of communities thriving and surviving, and of individuals selflessly helping their neighbors, in spite of government inaction and incompetence at all levels. Yet all we hear about is how pathetic New Orleans is, how stupid its citizens are who continue to live here, how horrible our leaders are, how bad crime is, how we sit around waiting for government to rescue us, etc. Incredibly, some people still even think parts of New Orleans remain under water. Sure we have some problems. Doesn't every place in the U.S.? But I hardly ever read in the blogosphere or in the legacy media about anything positive related to New Orleans, in spite of those problems.

11:57 PM, November 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been unable to find statistics matching Iraq's death rate with South Africa's. Might you link to such things? I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I find that matchup very hard to believe.
I might also humbly submit that extended violence between differing factions within a single country counts as war.

7:07 AM, November 06, 2007  
Blogger Christopher Taylor said...

I agree that New Orleans could benefit from more positive press, there is a lack of it. Sure, there's some great stuff out there like How It's Done with the show on rebuilding Levees, that was interesting and informative, but there's a definite lack. ALL news sources ignore anything positive in New Orleans, and ignore the good people working hard there.

As for the deaths in Iraq, take the number of violent deaths last week, compare it to the population of Iraq. That gives you a death per capita overall for the country. Do the same thing for South Africa, take violent deaths for the year and compare to the population.

You'll find the numbers remarkably similar. Will that continue? I certainly hope so, don't you?

That definition of war would mean that the United States has been at war for decades because of street gang violence. I suppose in a sense that's a sort of war, but not in the sense that you meant with Iraq.

8:46 AM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know what a death rate is. I just have not been able to find violent death rates in South Africa. The fact that you've provided neither numbers nor links for this statistic makes me think that you just sort of heard this someplace. I'd be very happy if it were true.

I would think that Iraq's violent death rate is also greater than the United States's rate of gang violence. If we had a similar violence rate, in the wake of an invasion of a foreign power, I'd say we were at war, yes.

8:54 AM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Christopher Taylor said...

So what you're saying then is that there's a minimum level of violence at which you consider it a war? What's that line?

Because wars have actual definitions, they are struggles between two sides in armed conflict using the military, not random violence with an attempt to convince the public back home to give up the fight in Iraq.

The Iraq war ended in 2003, when the Iraqi army was defeated and the government deposed. Your definition of war would make any difficult settling and occupation a war for decades. Check out the history of such occupations as the Saxons in Britain or the Normans in Britan... or the Europeans in America.

11:28 AM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, if you'd rather call it a "fight in Iraq," that's certainly your semantic right. You will forgive those of us who see an extended fight which presumably begun the moment the war ended as basically part of that same war.

Any update on those South Africa/Iraq stats?

12:28 PM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you go look up that information if you're that curious? you figure it disproves the rest of his point if it ends up being not true?

12:50 PM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Christopher Taylor said...

I'm more concerned that people use words more accurately. If you throw the word "war" around to mean whatever conflict you desire to call it that, then the entire word loses its meaning and significance.

I'll grant we're at war in a broader sense on terrorism, and the battles in Iraq are part of that. It's just that we won the War in Iraq years ago.

As for the death numbers - believe them or don't, I don't care. Truth isn't subject to anyone's personal opinion.

12:56 PM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, I share your frustration with the mainstream media's treatment of this conflict. If Iraqi deathrates have truly fallen to the level of a country in relative peace, that ought to be front page news. After reading this claim on your blog, I Googled around a bit and didn't find anything to support that contention, so I asked you where you got your information. I thought you'd have a link handy or something.

Instead, you went with this "war" argument, which I used to refer to the current fight/battles/conflict/whatever in Iraq. Language has a way of being shaped by the way people use it, and I'm not exactly the only one using that term to describe the current situation. Yeah, you might be technically right, but if I go up to a guy and say "I'm gay" when I just mean I'm happy, I'm technically right but he might be a little confused...

1:20 PM, November 06, 2007  
Anonymous Christopher Taylor said...

if I go up to a guy and say "I'm gay" when I just mean I'm happy, I'm technically right but he might be a little confused...

Precisely my point about using the word "war" properly.

2:48 PM, November 06, 2007  

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