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Wednesday, March 13, 2013

VIVE LA DIFFERENCE

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
-George Orwell

Recently on Facebook I found myself being hated by several women who previously were at least friendly online.  They are wives and gamers who I knew online and we got along well.  I try to always treat women with respect, especially online where they tend to be treated as at best second class players or meat to be devoured by horny gamer boys.
However, when the topic of unequal pay came up, I made the mistake of pointing out to two pregnant women that because women can get pregnant they are less valuable to an employer than men who cannot.  I'm sure a combination of hormones, frustration, stress, and general vulnerability played into their response but now they hate me.
To me the statement I made is non controversial, it is quite straight forward and if unfair or at least frustrating, not unreasonable.  The problem is that people don't quite seem to realize what businesses exist for.  They are not there to make you feel good, be fair to you, or be nice.  They are in existence to make money.  A business is how the business owner makes his living, just like your job.  You don't go to work to be fair to your boss and be nice to the company, you go there to get paid.  You can be nice and fair in the process, but that's not the purpose or the goal.
Think about this objectively and it will make sense to you.  Say you have a company, and you have two prospective workers.
  • Worker A might, and is likely to, take on a condition wherein they will miss 6-12 months of work or more, and by law the employer must not only retain them as an employee, but pay them for the time they are gone (in many states).
  • Worker B cannot suffer from this condition.
Now, assuming you are prohibited by law from simply never hiring Worker A, what will your response be?  Worker A is not only going to represent a reduction in productivity, but probably will require you to hire a replacement while they're gone dealing with this condition.
Bottom line: Worker A is going to miss a bunch of work, and thus have less experience and seniority than Worker B.  And, in fact, it is absolute fact that working mothers tend to miss a lot of work even when they come back rushing to deal with emergencies and events involving their child.  Working fathers do sometimes too, now, which leads employers to tend to avoid hiring people with young kids for certain jobs.
That means for the business, you're worth less pay than someone not in that position.  You're giving the company less, costing them more, and hence are worth less in terms of pay.
From a business' perspective, the conclusion is quite obvious.  But women seem to have a problem with the deal because it is tilted against them.  All of us want things going our way and are frustrated and unhappy when things go against us, that's just normal for humans on this earth.  So I do sympathize with women being less than pleased with the reality.
Yet there seems to be another layer lately, one that has been tacked on by feminism which argues that women should have the upper hand and best deal in everything, and in the name of equality get the good parts of all things and none of the bad.  For example, women don't want to be equal to men in lifespan or likelihood of heart disease.
So when I brought this up, the embittered women declared that I thought women as a gender were "worth less as human beings" because of their body parts.  This would come as a shock to the women in my family, not to mention the many I've dealt with and known in my life.
Yet the entire concept that less pay means less overall worth as a human is just ridiculous and even idiotic.  Is a teacher worth less as a human being than a celebrity because they get paid less?  Is a starting worker at a business worth less as a human being than a 10 year vet at the job?  Is a rookie baseball player getting minimum salary worth less than a superstar with a 5 year multi-million dollar contract?
Obviously pay has absolutely nothing to do with value as a human it simply reflects the economic value to a business that the worker represents.  That girl working the fry machine at McDonald's is not as valuable to the business as the manager, she gets paid less.  The pay also represents the business' perspective on that worker's commitment to the job.  Fry girl is likely to just not show up one day because she got sick of working there.  The manager will give 2 weeks notice.
What's amazing to me is that anyone, anywhere, would be so shocked and outraged with such an obvious business principle that they would not simply disagree or debate this topic, but would instantly and totally reverse their perspective on me and go from amiable esteem to contemptuous hatred.
It just is shocking to me that someone's worldview could be so totally damaged and their comprehension of economics and business so twisted by a leftist concept of life that they would react so violently and irrationally to such a plain fact of life.
But, I suppose, I shouldn't really be surprised.  I guess in the modern world I should be amazed it doesn't happen more often.  Because for being so progressive and modern, leftists are some of the most bitter, frustrated, angry, and unhappy folks on the planet.  And they seem to want to share it with everyone.
*UPDATE also see my piece on compensation, inspired by a comment below.

16 Comments:

Blogger vanderleun said...

Just tell those preggo bitches to shut up and bring you a beer.

11:16 AM, March 13, 2013  
Blogger Christopher Taylor said...

I'm sure that's exactly the attitude they think I have.

11:58 AM, March 13, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I want the girl kicker trying out for the NFL to fail spectacularly, because I'm tired of women insisting they have to be part of everything."

--guy who keeps saying "non controversial," "straight forward," "not unreasonable" things that somehow make people angry

12:26 PM, March 13, 2013  
Blogger Chris said...

Why would you want a female kicker to succeed? So she can get blown up on the first play of her career? I'm sure a woman who weighs less than the pantywaist soccer players who are on NFL rosters will be just fine in a league where homosexuals are closeted for a reason.

5:35 PM, March 13, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pantywaist." I am struggling in the grip of reason.

5:23 PM, March 14, 2013  
Anonymous FWhite said...

The world is full of all sorts of people, not just your friends and professors get out and meet some, you might learn something

8:04 PM, March 14, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Worker A might, and is likely to, take on a condition wherein they will miss 6-12 months of work or more, and by law the employer must not only retain them as an employee, but pay them for the time they are gone."
If this is a reference to FMLA, the requirements of the law are not what you think. It only requires job-protected UNPAID leave for up to 12 weeks per year, applies to men as well as women, and is not limited to childbirth. I agree with several of your points, but in the US there just is no legal requirement to pay women to take 6-12 months maternity leave.

8:46 PM, March 26, 2013  
Blogger Christopher Taylor said...

Federally there is no requirement, but several states require businesses to pay maternity leave (such as Oregon).

9:03 PM, March 26, 2013  
Anonymous Crude said...

It just is shocking to me that someone's worldview could be so totally damaged and their comprehension of economics and business so twisted by a leftist concept of life that they would react so violently and irrationally to such a plain fact of life.

Have you tried screaming at them?

I don't mean that as a joke, or some subtle criticism. In fact, I'm largely in agreement with you. But I've noticed that people, particularly on subjects like this, jettison rational discourse in large part and simply react with squawking. The very fact that they get emotional or worked up is taken by them as evidence that you are in fact wrong, a bad person, and should sit down and be quiet, sir.

So, I sincerely ask... have you ever tried screaming at them? Have you tried ranting and raving about injustice? Have you tried accusing them of being terrible people for having the views they do? Have you tried exaggerating things?

If so, did it work?

9:11 PM, March 26, 2013  
Blogger Christopher Taylor said...

Incidentally, some states extend this paid leave to fathers as well.

9:18 PM, March 26, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I generally post as Jeffersonian tho' I don't want to register on another site at this time.

As one who practices the use of logic and reason to understand and explain the world around him, I understand completely what you intended to say. I agree with you that companies exist to provide a profit (ie. a living) for the owner(s) and not for the convenience of the employed.

I, too, have suffered the outrage of fools and those who have ideologies outside of logic and reason.

Don't concern yourselves with them. continue to follow the path of logic, and reason, and of liberty and you will prosper.

Besides. With the outrageous state of Worlwide Gov't finances today, and the inevitible collapse of the dollar, it will little matter in six months or so what you thought about whether or not the .gov has a right to force a business to build breastfeeding rooms for new mothers.

10:05 PM, March 26, 2013  
Blogger The Preemptive Offender said...

This is the logical consequence of:
1. Women having been told they're "oppressed;"
2. Women having been told that their feelings are superior to mere logic and evidence;
3. Women having been encouraged to be vicious toward men in any controversy involving the sexes.

It could not have worked out any other way.

1:40 AM, March 27, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paid or not, the fact is that a woman on leave for child birth has an inherent work productivity of ZERO.

6:47 AM, March 27, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


AS a male worker at a grocery store it wasn't either the store or management that suffered when women were either pregnant or had to take care of children, it was me.

I was the one asked to stay late, I was the one whose schedule was changed. I had to lift the heavy boxes, not the manager, nor other female employees.

The women got all the breaks and I had to carry them.

6:53 AM, March 27, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point of the articles isn't how many weeks of parental leave a particular state gives fathers vs mothers. The point is that some employees have the potential to cost employers more via increased benefits, reduced productivity, etc and the employers has every right to consider that during hiring.

What should matter to logical people is total compensation, not just salary. Let's say you have several workers who all have the same average productivity. It
is perfectly fair for Worker A to get a higher salary, while Worker B gets better insurance, Worker C gets more time off, etc. If one worker wants better insurance, time off, flex schedule, and other benefits then she has no right to complain that she gets paid less than another employee who does not take those extra benefits.

8:01 AM, March 27, 2013  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, it's enough to make a conservative out of you.

8:08 AM, March 27, 2013  

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